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Tony Muricy

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:50 pm
Post subject: tc problems - best solution?
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I' ve just finished a DVCam shooting of a DVD about one of Brazilīs
greatest composer and player.
By request of the finishing house, we run Rec Run 29,97 Drop FrameTC on
camera, and sent it from the camera to my Fostex PD4 dat recorder TC
input.
But now we found that in almost every take the tc from the camera
freezes for a few seconds then runs normally again, then freezes and so
on. The question is that the TC is not missing (drop-out) sometimes,
but it is FREEZING. So, while the image is running, we have, letīs
say, TC frames 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8, 9,...
The Avid is not accepting the DV tapes like this, and they canīt be
logged. Thereīs a suggestion that we copy all tapes again with a new
continous TC, so the avid may read it. But then weīre going to loose
the TC sinc with DAT tapes, which should be resincd in the final steps
to be mixed.
As in 20 out of 24 tapes Iīve sent the line out of the PD4 to the Line
In inputs of the camera, Iīm suggesting that they use the sound
actually on the tapes as the sound source for the editing and mixing.
This way even if they change the TC on camera tapes, the sound is
actually there, and if imported into the avid correctly, and handled
correctly by the image editor, it willl reach the mixing with the
necessary quality. Iīm also suggesting that if they go this way they
sinc immediately the 4 camera tapes which run with camera mike and my
sound on dat tape only.
Another option was that when they cloned the tapes, maybe we could copy
the bad TC into camera Ch 1 audio track, and mixdown both audio tracks
into camera Ch 2 audio track, just for the editing. The we could keep
this bad TC track as a 4th audio track in the Avid, carry it up to the
end of the editing, and then use this TC on audio track 4 on itīs good
points to find the audio sinc on the dats. Because there are good TC
moments both in camera and on DAT tapes. But actually I donīt think
that the Avid will be able to track the bad (frozen frames) TC on the
Dats either.
So I think that maybe the best option still would be: to check the
audio quality of the audio tracks on the camera tapes. If theyīre ok,
and they should be, because Iīve sent the Fostex PD4 line outs to
camera, and these are recorded on digital tracks on DVCam, then they
could consider the camera tapes audio to be the final audio, because
thereīs quality, and theyīre are already sincd with the image. This
way they could clone the image tapes WITH itīs audio tracks, sinc,
which are going to be the final tracks, and not use the DATs audio at
all, except in the four image tapes without audio, which theyīll will
have to sinc manually, or where the image tapes audio have any kind of
problem - dropouts, saturation, etc...
I know this is not the perfect way to go, but now we have to find the
best sound solution with the last cost for the production company.

If anybody has any other suggestions, they will be most welcome.

Thanks a lot

Tony Muricy - Rio de Janeiro

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magui_gomes

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:42 pm
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"If anybody has any other suggestions, they will be most welcome".


Toninho,

Vc já levou seu problema para os especialistas
em time code da ABC?

Ab,
Bié

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Matt Mayer

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:17 pm
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Tony Muricy wrote:

> I' ve just finished a DVCam shooting of a DVD about one of Brazilīs
> greatest composer and player.
> By request of the finishing house, we run Rec Run 29,97 Drop FrameTC on
> camera, and sent it from the camera to my Fostex PD4 dat recorder TC
> input.
> But now we found that in almost every take the tc from the camera
> freezes for a few seconds then runs normally again, then freezes and so
> on. The question is that the TC is not missing (drop-out) sometimes,
> but it is FREEZING. So, while the image is running, we have, letīs
> say, TC frames 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8, 9,...
<snip>

Tony,

If you could get your hands on a Non-linear recorder you could clone
your DATs to a NL and clean up your audio this way. This would assume
that you would have enough good code at the head of each take to jam the
NL recorder.

Since non-linear files use only a timecode stamp at the head of the file
and the rest of the code is created from that by counting samples, you
could connect the TC out of your DAT to a NL recordrer (let's say the
744, for instance.. :-) ) and the Digital out to the digital in.

Set the recorder to external code, roll the DAT and make sure the
recorder locks up to the code. Roll the recorder and disconnect the TC
cable. At least in the 744, while in EXt TC/cont mode, once the
timecode cable is disconnected, the timecode will "free-wheel" until the
recording is stopped.

It would be pretty tedious to do. You would have to start and stop with
each camera take so that you get the correct starting code on each file,
but I think it could be done.

I can only speak to the 744 for sure, your mileage may vary with all the
other flavors of NL recorders.

---Matt
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