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Since: Oct 05, 2004 Posts: 104
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:19 pm
Post subject: Aliens: things they didn't ought to have done Archived from groups: alt>cult-movies>alien (more info?)
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1/ The marines might well have taken fewer casualties had Ripley not been
there. It's Ripley who points out that they shouldn't fire their weapons
under the main cooling system. Had she not done so, the marines would have
used their weapons, effected some sort of a retreat in better order, and
withdrawn to the colony in the APC.
Bishop attributes the explosion not to the small arms fire, but to the
dropship crash. They'd possibly have caused more pulse rifle / smartgun
damage than they did, but probably not sufficient to trash the processor as
quickly. They also would probably have been able to retreat to the main
colony complex in the APC. This means the dropship needn't have come to get
them and would not have crashed - at least, not where and when it did...No?
Of course, had they taken off it in without finding the alien stowaway that
kills Ferro and Spunkmeyer, they'd all die anyway, but how likely was that?
2/ When Bishop flies the other dropship to safety at the end, he takes off
at far too steep an angle, so there is a constant line of sight from the
dropship to the nuclear explosion behind them. Given that we are talking a
planetoid here, his best course would have been to leg it close to the
ground, and get over LV426's horizon. This could not be far away. They'd
then be shielded from the blast more securely. As he did so, we could be
treated to a view of the dropship banking over the derelict, which is
visibly entirely intact, being several days' journey away arond the
curvature... >> Stay informed about: Aliens: things they didn't ought to have done |
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Since: Jun 28, 2003 Posts: 405
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:22 pm
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"John Redman" <johnphilipredman.TakeThisOut@hotmailREMOVETHEBLEEDINOBVIOUS.com> wrote in
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> 1/ The marines might well have taken fewer casualties had Ripley not been
> there. It's Ripley who points out that they shouldn't fire their weapons
> under the main cooling system. Had she not done so, the marines would have
> used their weapons, effected some sort of a retreat in better order, and
> withdrawn to the colony in the APC.
>
> Bishop attributes the explosion not to the small arms fire, but to the
> dropship crash. They'd possibly have caused more pulse rifle / smartgun
> damage than they did, but probably not sufficient to trash the processor
as
> quickly. They also would probably have been able to retreat to the main
> colony complex in the APC. This means the dropship needn't have come to
get
> them and would not have crashed - at least, not where and when it
did...No?
> Of course, had they taken off it in without finding the alien stowaway
that
> kills Ferro and Spunkmeyer, they'd all die anyway, but how likely was
that?
>
> 2/ When Bishop flies the other dropship to safety at the end, he takes off
> at far too steep an angle, so there is a constant line of sight from the
> dropship to the nuclear explosion behind them. Given that we are talking a
> planetoid here, his best course would have been to leg it close to the
> ground, and get over LV426's horizon. This could not be far away. They'd
> then be shielded from the blast more securely. As he did so, we could be
> treated to a view of the dropship banking over the derelict, which is
> visibly entirely intact, being several days' journey away arond the
> curvature...
Very good points!
They *also* shouldn;t have had the aliens be like Jimmy's Ants, but thats
more of a production problem than a.. "If this was real" one.
;' )
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:00 pm
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"Covenant" <covenant RemoveThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
> I never quite understood why there was a flamethrower at *all* !!
Especially not one with such a weedy range or dodgy pilot light which can go
out. Man-portable flamethrowers can typically fire about 70 metres and are
electrically ignited. Difficult to fathom what tactical use they would
normally be put to.
Also, it occurs to me that we don't know the Aliens *are* afraid of fire.
Ash suggests this in A1 but we never actually *see* the Alien 'retreat from
fire', as he puts it. For all we know, it won't. It's just a plausible
suggestion of his, possibly intended to get more of Nostromo's crew killed
and ensure the creature's survival. The specimen in A3 sure seems unaffected
by being boiled in lead. >> Stay informed about: Aliens: things they didn't ought to have done |
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Since: Oct 27, 2005 Posts: 222
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:05 am
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Since: Nov 09, 2004 Posts: 35
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:05 am
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Adam Cameron <adam_junk RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > I never quite understood why there was a flamethrower at *all* !!
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> James Cameron was copying Alien in lieu of any original ideas of his own?
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> Adam
I think it makes sense to have a flamethrower along on a potential "bug
hunt." >> Stay informed about: Aliens: things they didn't ought to have done |
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Since: Oct 11, 2004 Posts: 19
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:05 am
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"BeingAnonymousMakesMeObnoxious" <comeon.RemoveThis@dood.com> wrote in message
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> Adam Cameron <adam_junk.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > I never quite understood why there was a flamethrower at *all* !!
> >
> > James Cameron was copying Alien in lieu of any original ideas of his
own?
> >
> > Adam
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> I think it makes sense to have a flamethrower along on a potential "bug
> hunt."
>
the flametrower is standard issue for colonial marine units, no matter what
combat situation. That from the colonial marines technical handbook! >> Stay informed about: Aliens: things they didn't ought to have done |
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Since: Oct 27, 2005 Posts: 222
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:06 am
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> Especially not one with such a weedy range or dodgy pilot light which can go
> out. Man-portable flamethrowers can typically fire about 70 metres and are
> electrically ignited. Difficult to fathom what tactical use they would
> normally be put to.
Yeah,. I could understand the jerry-built ones in Alien being a bit
substandard, but not the military-issue ones in Aliens. And, as Covenant
said, why they had them at all.
Adam >> Stay informed about: Aliens: things they didn't ought to have done |
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Since: Jun 28, 2003 Posts: 405
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:56 pm
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"John Redman" <johnphilipredman DeleteThis @hotmailREMOVETHEBLEEDINOBVIOUS.com> wrote in
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> "Covenant" <covenant DeleteThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
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> > I never quite understood why there was a flamethrower at *all* !!
>
> Especially not one with such a weedy range or dodgy pilot light which can
go
> out. Man-portable flamethrowers can typically fire about 70 metres and are
> electrically ignited. Difficult to fathom what tactical use they would
> normally be put to.
>
> Also, it occurs to me that we don't know the Aliens *are* afraid of fire.
> Ash suggests this in A1 but we never actually *see* the Alien 'retreat
from
> fire', as he puts it.
Actually.... the evidence points against it...
Dallas is firing the flamethrower (a jury rigged one that is *better* than
the military one in Aliens !!??) like a banshee.. and the alien is not
remotely phased.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:56 pm
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"Adam Cameron" <adam_junk RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > I never quite understood why there was a flamethrower at *all* !!
>
> James Cameron was copying Alien in lieu of any original ideas of his own?
;' ))))
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:57 pm
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"Duke Merc Atreides" <dukemerc@(Delete if not spam)hotmail.com> wrote in
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> "BeingAnonymousMakesMeObnoxious" <comeon DeleteThis @dood.com> wrote in message
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> > Adam Cameron <adam_junk DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1rr7fuuq280qm.1410e8l94p8rb.dlg@40tude.net...
> > > > I never quite understood why there was a flamethrower at *all* !!
> > >
> > > James Cameron was copying Alien in lieu of any original ideas of his
> own?
> > >
> > > Adam
> >
> > I think it makes sense to have a flamethrower along on a potential "bug
> > hunt."
> >
>
> the flametrower is standard issue for colonial marine units, no matter
what
> combat situation. That from the colonial marines technical handbook!
Errrmmm....
The book was written *from* the film. Not vice versa.
The Colonial Marines don;t *actually* exist.
;' )
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 8:02 pm
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"Covenant" <covenant DeleteThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "John Redman" <johnphilipredman DeleteThis @hotmailREMOVETHEBLEEDINOBVIOUS.com> wrote
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>> "Covenant" <covenant DeleteThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
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>> > I never quite understood why there was a flamethrower at *all* !!
>>
>> Especially not one with such a weedy range or dodgy pilot light which can
> go
>> out. Man-portable flamethrowers can typically fire about 70 metres and
>> are
>> electrically ignited. Difficult to fathom what tactical use they would
>> normally be put to.
>>
>> Also, it occurs to me that we don't know the Aliens *are* afraid of fire.
>> Ash suggests this in A1 but we never actually *see* the Alien 'retreat
> from
>> fire', as he puts it.
>
> Actually.... the evidence points against it...
>
> Dallas is firing the flamethrower (a jury rigged one that is *better* than
> the military one in Aliens !!??) like a banshee.. and the alien is not
> remotely phased.
Well, quite. I remember my expectations of 'Aliens' quite well. I was
convinced their glassy metallic exoskeletons would turn out to be
bullet-proof and indifferent to fire, and that this would be what caused thr
marines their problems.
Incidentally, watching AR:SE the other day, I couldn't help but notice that
all the guff about Ripley taking on alien characteristics would actually
make more sense if they had bagged a sample of A1-style cocooned victims.
Dallas and Brett are quite clearly being converted into eggs so they would
presumably reflect both life forms. Absolutely nothing suggests that a blood
sample taken from a mere facehuggee would include DNA from both parasite and
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:48 pm
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:19:18 +0000, John Redman wrote:
> 1/ The marines might well have taken fewer casualties had Ripley not
> been there.
You are right. Ripley is such a bitch.
> 2/ his best course would have been to leg it close to the ground, and
> get over LV426's horizon
We don't know the exact make-up of the still unfinished atmosphere. Maybe
Bishop knew that the danger would taper off at a lower altitude.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 5:50 pm
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:10 pm
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"Vigil" <me DeleteThis @privacy.net> wrote
>> 2/ his best course would have been to leg it close to the ground, and
>> get over LV426's horizon
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> We don't know the exact make-up of the still unfinished atmosphere. Maybe
> Bishop knew that the danger would taper off at a lower altitude.
Not sure I follow. I don't get why he would climb at 40 degrees or whatever
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Dec 04, 2004 6:11 pm
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"Vigil" <me.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 19:00:13 +0000, John Redman wrote:
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>> The specimen in A3 sure seems unaffected by being boiled in lead.
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> Its head exploded...
Only when the sprinklers were switched on. Until then it seemed to be
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