Aliens: things they didn't ought to have done

In article <covp3a$484$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>,
"Covenant" <covenant RemoveThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> Jimmy screwed that up by deciding the Giger's Alien wasn't menacing enough
> and altered the way they looked when birthed from humans...

Oh please - your irrational hatred of Cameron can't be so bad that you'll try
to blame whatever minor differences you could find on the CB designs (which
rumor has it he designed himself solely for the reason that Giger wanted
shitload of money to lend his "license" - as if he ever had one) as a screwup?

I think you're getting loonier by the post. :P

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"Sandman" <mr.RemoveThis@sandman.net> wrote in message
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> In article <covp3a$484$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> "Covenant" <covenant.RemoveThis@joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Jimmy screwed that up by deciding the Giger's Alien wasn't menacing
enough
> > and altered the way they looked when birthed from humans...
>
> Oh please - your irrational hatred of Cameron


I'd love yo know why you insist on insisting this.
I've already told you, I don;t hate cameron at all. Just what he did to the
*alien*.

> can't be so bad that you'll try
> to blame whatever minor differences you could find on the CB designs
(which
> rumor has it he designed himself solely for the reason that Giger wanted
> shitload of money to lend his "license" - as if he ever had one) as a
screwup?


Well... I can hardly comment on rumour, can I?

Regardless, the damage was done... And, as regards to the *alien takes on
physical references to hosts*, then yeah.. Jimmy screwed it up.


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In article <cp284l$sms$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
<covenant.TakeThisOut@joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>>> Jimmy screwed that up by deciding the Giger's Alien wasn't menacing
>>> enough and altered the way they looked when birthed from humans...
>>
>> Oh please - your irrational hatred of Cameron
>
> I'd love yo know why you insist on insisting this. I've already told
> you, I don;t hate cameron at all. Just what he did to the *alien*.

That's the irrational hatred I am in reference to.

>> can't be so bad that you'll try to blame whatever minor differences
>> you could find on the CB designs which rumor has it he designed
>> himself solely for the reason that Giger wanted shitload of money to
>> lend his "license" - as if he ever had one) as a screwup?
>
> Well... I can hardly comment on rumour, can I?

I never asked you to.

> Regardless, the damage was done...

What damage? What life-altering differences are you imagining you see in the CB
in Aliens?

> And, as regards to the *alien takes
> on physical references to hosts*, then yeah.. Jimmy screwed it up.

Since it was never established in Alien - how could he? As far as I know, this
was something thought up for A3 in order to have an excuse to redesign the
alien to move on all four.

Surely you're not claiming that James screwed up future sequels??

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Sandman wrote:
> In article <cp284l$sms$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
> <covenant RemoveThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> And, as regards to the *alien takes
>> on physical references to hosts*, then yeah.. Jimmy screwed it up.
>
> Since it was never established in Alien - how could he? As far as I
> know, this was something thought up for A3 in order to have an excuse
> to redesign the alien to move on all four.

No the idea that the alien takes genetic information from the host was there
in the first film. Ash refers to the alien as Kane's son.

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In article <cp3lc0$mbo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Mike" <noreply RemoveThis @mail.thx>
wrote:

>>> And, as regards to the *alien takes on physical references to
>>> hosts*, then yeah.. Jimmy screwed it up.
>>
>> Since it was never established in Alien - how could he? As far as I
>> know, this was something thought up for A3 in order to have an excuse
>> to redesign the alien to move on all four.
>
> No the idea that the alien takes genetic information from the host was
> there in the first film. Ash refers to the alien as Kane's son.

Even if we interprete that as the alien having had genetic information shared
with Kane (which we can if we try really really hard) that does not mean that
the alien took on physical reference to Kane - as is being discussed.

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"Sandman" <mr.DeleteThis@sandman.net> wrote in message
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> In article <cp284l$sms$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
> <covenant.DeleteThis@joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>> Jimmy screwed that up by deciding the Giger's Alien wasn't menacing
> >>> enough and altered the way they looked when birthed from humans...
> >>
> >> Oh please - your irrational hatred of Cameron
> >
> > I'd love yo know why you insist on insisting this. I've already told
> > you, I don;t hate cameron at all. Just what he did to the *alien*.
>
> That's the irrational hatred I am in reference to.

But it's totally rational... You just don;t agree with my opinion regarding
it.
And aimed towards the *product* not the man.


> > Regardless, the damage was done...
>
> What damage? What life-altering differences are you imagining you see in
the CB
> in Aliens?

*Life altering* ? Did I suggest such a thing?


> > And, as regards to the *alien takes
> > on physical references to hosts*, then yeah.. Jimmy screwed it up.

> Since it was never established in Alien - how could he? As far as I know,
this
> was something thought up for A3 in order to have an excuse to redesign the
> alien to move on all four.


But it still doesn't explain his alterations does it?


> Surely you're not claiming that James screwed up future sequels??

Naahhhh.. Even *he* couldn't do *that* !

Unless, of course, he directs another one !!!!!
(But then, I'd have to *see* it before I decided.)


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In article <cp4vkf$mtg$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
<covenant.RemoveThis@joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>>>>> Jimmy screwed that up by deciding the Giger's Alien wasn't
>>>>> menacing enough and altered the way they looked when birthed from
>>>>> humans...
>>>>
>>>> Oh please - your irrational hatred of Cameron
>>>
>>> I'd love yo know why you insist on insisting this. I've already told
>>> you, I don;t hate cameron at all. Just what he did to the *alien*.
>>
>> That's the irrational hatred I am in reference to.
>
> But it's totally rational...

Obviously, I don't agree with your conclusion.

>>> Regardless, the damage was done...
>>
>> What damage? What life-altering differences are you imagining you see
>> in the CB in Aliens?
>
> *Life altering* ? Did I suggest such a thing?

I am exaggerating to make a point.

>>> And, as regards to the *alien takes on physical references to
>>> hosts*, then yeah.. Jimmy screwed it up.
>>
>> Since it was never established in Alien - how could he? As far as I
>> know, this was something thought up for A3 in order to have an excuse
>> to redesign the alien to move on all four.
>
> But it still doesn't explain his alterations does it?

There is no need to explain the minor insignificant alteration the Cameron
design had since you no longer seem to be claiming that the differences in
Aliens are due to the CB taking on genetic similarities from the host.

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"ADWatts" <adwatts.DeleteThis@graphic-designer.com> wrote in message
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> If, on the other hand, you were just looking for a fight with Covenant;
> by all means, proceed. Flame wars can be fun to watch. :-)


Except...

I never really flame.... Can't be bothered ...

;' )


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"Sandman" <mr.DeleteThis@sandman.net> wrote in message
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> There is no need to explain the minor insignificant alteration the Cameron
> design had

Minor???

Hardly.
The entire skull is altered. The only thing retained is it's 'general'
shape.
(And that elongated toungue-y thing...)


> since you no longer seem to be claiming that the differences in
> Aliens are due to the CB taking on genetic similarities from the host.


I don't *ever* remember claiming such a thing.
However, the one point has nothing to do with the other in *this* sense.

If you recall, the discussion is based around the quite cogent theory that
the Alien CB *does* alter dependant on it's host (As is best seen in A3, as
spoken of even before Aliens release and is continued by Fox by allowing
such *toys* as 'bull', 'ape' etc alien creatures)).

My point, quite simply, was that Aliens does not *help* that theory, as
Jimmy's Ants are markedly different to the original Alien, *without* there
being a different species as host.

Now, QUITE CORRECTLY, it would be invalid to BLAME Cameron for this, as his
film was PRIOR to A3...
It does *not* however alter these facts;

a) the theory still abounds
b) his alien was altered for no reason other than he *wanted* to do it.
c) The theory itself is damaged by *his* aliens.



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I said:

> > If, on the other hand, you were just looking for a fight with Covenant;
> > by all means, proceed. Flame wars can be fun to watch. :-)

Covenant replied:

> Except...
>
> I never really flame.... Can't be bothered ...
>
> ;' )

Oh, I know . . . but it can be *so* fun to see people *try* to get
you to flame them! :-)

Have a great day!

ADWatts

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and 'unreal' doesn't matter. You have to stand up for what you
care about; if you don't you lose control of who you are."
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In article <cp7k64$63u$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
<covenant RemoveThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>> There is no need to explain the minor insignificant alteration the
>> Cameron design had
>
> Minor???

Yes.

> Hardly. The entire skull is altered. The only thing retained is it's
> 'general' shape. (And that elongated toungue-y thing...)

Minor details.

>> since you no longer seem to be claiming that the differences in
>> Aliens are due to the CB taking on genetic similarities from the
>> host.
>
> I don't *ever* remember claiming such a thing. However, the one point
> has nothing to do with the other in *this* sense.
>
> If you recall, the discussion is based around the quite cogent theory
> that the Alien CB *does* alter dependant on it's host (As is best seen
> in A3, as spoken of even before Aliens release and is continued by Fox
> by allowing such *toys* as 'bull', 'ape' etc alien creatures)).

"as spoken of" in what media? As far as I know, that was a A3 idea.

> My point, quite simply, was that Aliens does not *help* that theory,
> as Jimmy's Ants are markedly different to the original Alien,
> *without* there being a different species as host.

I disagree that they are "markedly different", and rather attribute your
exagarration of these insignificant details to your irrational hatred of Aliens.

> Now, QUITE CORRECTLY, it would be invalid to BLAME Cameron for this,
> as his film was PRIOR to A3... It does *not* however alter these
> facts;
>
> a) the theory still abounds

What do you mean? It's a theory created by A3 as an excuse to make what they
thought was a cooler design of the creature.

> b) his alien was altered for no reason other than he *wanted* to do it.

Why are you disregarding the rumors that Giger wanted a shitload of money to do
the designs again and that was the driving force of Cameron making the designs
himself.

> c) The theory itself is damaged by *his* aliens.

Since the theory was created *after* his aliens, that's impossible.

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In article <cp7jjh$qn9$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
<covenant.RemoveThis@joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>> I am poking fun at Covenants tendancy to find huge "screwups" in
>> small insignificant details.
>
> You're not *doing* too well then!

I wouldn't expect the subject of my poking to think otherwise.

>>> Exactly how is that irrational?
>>
>> I've never claimed any hate of yours was irrational, so I don't
>> understand your question.
>
> Tsk tsk tsk.... Inconsistency!!!!!

In what are you imagining any inconsistency on my part?

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In article <cp7jjj$qn9$2@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
<covenant RemoveThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>> If, on the other hand, you were just looking for a fight with
>> Covenant; by all means, proceed. Flame wars can be fun to watch. :-)
>
> Except...
>
> I never really flame.... Can't be bothered ...

That's really funny Covenant, what with you being one of the biggest trolls in
this group. Hehe.

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