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Since: Feb 09, 2005 Posts: 69
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(Msg. 31) Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:16 pm
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Covenant said:
> > If you recall, the discussion is based around the quite cogent theory
> > that the Alien CB *does* alter dependant on it's host (As is best seen
> > in A3, as spoken of even before Aliens release and is continued by Fox
> > by allowing such *toys* as 'bull', 'ape' etc alien creatures)).
Sandman replied:
> "as spoken of" in what media? As far as I know, that was a A3 idea.
I don't have time right now to dig through the internet/AQ
and find some "proof", but I'm pretty sure I recall someone
associated with Alien mentioning the idea that the creature
assumes traits of its hosts as a way of explaining why the
alien is so humanoid. The idea was around way before A3.
Then again, maybe I'm just being irrational! :-D
Have a great day!
ADWatts
"As long as you have some idea what's happening to you 'real'
and 'unreal' doesn't matter. You have to stand up for what you
care about; if you don't you lose control of who you are."
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 8:24 pm
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I said:
> > Still doesn't make sense to me. Maybe you should just choose your
> > words more carefully.
Sandman replied:
> Why+ They are accurate. Your lack of insight in the reason for them does
in no
> way make them less suited.
But it's not accurate. That's the whole point.
Enlighten me, and actually answer the original question:
Why is it "irrational" for Covenant (or I) to hate what Cameron
did with the alien?
I know I clipped a lot, but I just don't see an answer in any of
it. Sounds to me like you simply don't like the way Covenant
expresses himself, which has absolutely nothing to do with
whether or not he is *irrational*.
Not that I should really care; but, like I said in my original
reply, I'm just wondering because you're the one who jumped in
with "Oh please - your irrational hatred of Cameron . . ." It's a
false statement because Covenant doesn't hate James Cameron.
Don't you feel you should acknowledge you were wrong? I
would hope that you'd want to be accurate if you want to be
taken serious.
Just in case you felt it was important to your "point", I will
answer your question of:
> Again, ones knowledge in a given subject does not automatically lead to
ones
> opinions about said subject being rational. Would you consider someone
very
> knowledgable about Hitler to be reasonable if he advocates genocide?
Once more, it's not about being rational/irrational at all. It's about
a person's morals/opinions. Just because a person is a murdering
bigot doesn't automatically make them "irrational". Someone who
advocates genocide is quite detestable in my view, but it doesn't
mean they haven't thought it out and that they feel they have valid
reasons for feeling that way. It would be my opinion that they are
an evil person without morals, but unless I knew they were also
ignorant, calling them "irrational" wouldn't necessarily be accurate.
I also don't see the sense in killing *anything* just for *fun*.
Would it be accurate for me to label a hunter as irrational, or
do I simply have a difference of opinion? I don't believe it's
a "rational" thing to do, but who am I to judge their reasons?
(Some of which may be quite rational to some people; such
as "protecting crops when deer are 'overpopulated'".)
Like many things, "reason" is in the eye of the beholder.
I'll let you have the last word, answers or not . . . ;-)
Have a great day!
ADWatts
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Since: Oct 15, 2004 Posts: 729
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 11:36 pm
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In article <uw2ud.470344$wV.146819@attbi_s54>, "ADWatts"
<adwatts.TakeThisOut@graphic-designer.com> wrote:
>> Why+ They are accurate. Your lack of insight in the reason for them
>> does in no way make them less suited.
>
> But it's not accurate.
Yes, it is.
> That's the whole point.
Then what you consider to be the "point" is in error.
> Enlighten me, and actually answer the original question:
> Why is it "irrational" for Covenant (or I) to hate what Cameron did
> with the alien?
I've never claimed that it is irrational to hate what Cameron did to the alien.
Now that you say it, I would agree with such a sentiment though. It would very
much be irrational to feel hate due to alterations being made in a sequel to a
film.
Regardless, that is irrelevant to the issue at hand, since I've never claimed
that.
> I know I clipped a lot, but I just don't see an answer in any of it.
That's because I never intended to supply one. Especially not to the made up
issue you presented above.
> Sounds to me like you simply don't like the way Covenant expresses
> himself, which has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not he is
> *irrational*.
Then you "hear" wrong.
> Not that I should really care; but, like I said in my original reply,
> I'm just wondering because you're the one who jumped in with "Oh
> please - your irrational hatred of Cameron . . ." It's a false
> statement because Covenant doesn't hate James Cameron. Don't you feel
> you should acknowledge you were wrong? I would hope that you'd want to
> be accurate if you want to be taken serious.
I have already acknowledged that it was wrong to say it that way. I do often,
if not always, owe to the errors I make.
>> Again, ones knowledge in a given subject does not automatically lead
>> to ones opinions about said subject being rational. Would you
>> consider someone very knowledgable about Hitler to be reasonable if
>> he advocates genocide?
>
> Once more, it's not about being rational/irrational at all.
Yes, it is.
> It's about a person's morals/opinions.
No, it isn't.
> Just because a person is a murdering bigot
> doesn't automatically make them "irrational".
You do not consider Hitlers hatred of Jews to be irrational?
> Someone who advocates
> genocide is quite detestable in my view, but it doesn't mean they
> haven't thought it out and that they feel they have valid reasons for
> feeling that way.
What rational reasons would they have?
> It would be my opinion that they are an evil person
> without morals, but unless I knew they were also ignorant, calling
> them "irrational" wouldn't necessarily be accurate.
irrational is not a synonym for ignorance.
> I also don't see the sense in killing *anything* just for *fun*.
Would you call it senseless? That is a synonym for irrational.
> Would it be accurate for me to label a hunter as irrational
Yes.
> or do I simply have a difference of opinion?
You might have that as well.
> I don't believe it's a "rational" thing
> to do, but who am I to judge their reasons?
Calling someone irrational isn't judging their reasons.
> Some of which may be quite
> rational to some people; such as "protecting crops when deer are
> 'overpopulated'".
That would be rational. Hunting for fun, i.e. without a rational reason, would
be - by definition - irrational.
> Like many things, "reason" is in the eye of the beholder.
No, it isn't.
> Wondering how the hell he wound up in a philosophical debate just by
> asking a simple question . . . :-)
This isn't a philosophical debate.
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:56 pm
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> In article <cp7jjj$qn9$2@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
> <covenant.DeleteThis@joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> If, on the other hand, you were just looking for a fight with
> >> Covenant; by all means, proceed. Flame wars can be fun to watch. :-)
> >
> > Except...
> >
> > I never really flame.... Can't be bothered ...
>
> That's really funny Covenant, what with you being one of the biggest
trolls in
> this group. Hehe.
>snurk<
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:58 pm
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"John Redman" <johnphilipredman.TakeThisOut@hotmailREMOVETHEBLEEDINOBVIOUS.com> wrote in
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> Aliens is a great action movie but it just doesn't have the intellectual
> coherence of the first one. In the end the aliens are just not alien
enough
> for my tastes.
That's it in a nutshell...
It's also *why* Sandy likes it so much !!
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:05 pm
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> In article <cp7jjh$qn9$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
> <covenant DeleteThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
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> >> I am poking fun at Covenants tendancy to find huge "screwups" in
> >> small insignificant details.
> >
> > You're not *doing* too well then!
>
> I wouldn't expect the subject of my poking to think otherwise.
Ahhh... I see... You think you're *poking* me?
Hmmm... sounds like you have an irrational hatred of anything I post...
>snurk<
> >>> Exactly how is that irrational?
> >>
> >> I've never claimed any hate of yours was irrational, so I don't
> >> understand your question.
> >
> > Tsk tsk tsk.... Inconsistency!!!!!
>
> In what are you imagining any inconsistency on my part?
Every word that drops out of your maw.
It's getting *so*( old and noring Sandy, you're just making yourself look
more and more stupid with every *explanation* you *don;t* post.
Unfortunately for you, posts which merely say..
"No I didn't."
"The explanation is beyond you" (not verabtim.. but the crux)
"Then what you consider to be the "point" is in error." (Which is
wonderous!!! Inmplying that only *your* take on *the point* is valid!)
(asked for an answer).. "That's because I never intended to supply one.
Especially not to the made up
issue you presented above."
Evasion, evasion, evasion,
Asked specific questions... and avoided the actual points made in them....
Preeeety weak, bud.
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Since: Oct 15, 2004 Posts: 729
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:55 pm
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In article <cpcs2s$fkr$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
<covenant RemoveThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> I am poking fun at Covenants tendancy to find huge "screwups" in
>>>> small insignificant details.
>>>
>>> You're not *doing* too well then!
>>
>> I wouldn't expect the subject of my poking to think otherwise.
>
> Ahhh... I see... You think you're *poking* me?
What gave you the impression that this was something I merely "thought"?
> Hmmm... sounds like you
> have an irrational hatred of anything I post...
I am no longer surprised at how odd things "sound" to you.
>>>>> Exactly how is that irrational?
>>>>
>>>> I've never claimed any hate of yours was irrational, so I don't
>>>> understand your question.
>>>
>>> Tsk tsk tsk.... Inconsistency!!!!!
>>
>> In what are you imagining any inconsistency on my part?
>
> Every word that drops out of your maw.
I take your lack of specificity as a sign that you don't actually have any
examples.
> It's getting *so*( old and noring Sandy, you're just making yourself
> look more and more stupid with every *explanation* you *don;t* post.
I've already given a explanation.
> Unfortunately for you, posts which merely say..
>
> "No I didn't." "The explanation is beyond you" (not verabtim.. but the
> crux) "Then what you consider to be the "point" is in error." (Which
> is wonderous!!! Inmplying that only *your* take on *the point* is
> valid! (asked for an answer).. "That's because I never intended to
> supply one. Especially not to the made up issue you presented above."
>
> Evasion, evasion, evasion, Asked specific questions... and avoided the
> actual points made in them.... Preeeety weak, bud.
I never intended to explain anything to ADWatts - for what reason?
And thank you for the compliment - having you call me stupid is the best praise
I can get. It's like having a hip-hop:er tell me that my taste in music is bad.
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 11:56 pm
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In article <cpcrkn$9t4$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
<covenant.DeleteThis@joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> Aliens is a great action movie but it just doesn't have the
>> intellectual coherence of the first one. In the end the aliens are
>> just not alien enough for my tastes.
>
> That's it in a nutshell... It's also *why* Sandy likes it so much !!
It is? Care to elaborate?
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 9:47 pm
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In article <cp85dr$msi$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>,
"John Redman" <johnphilipredman RemoveThis @hotmailREMOVETHEBLEEDINOBVIOUS.com> wrote:
> "Covenant" <covenant RemoveThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
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> > b) his alien was altered for no reason other than he *wanted* to do it.
>
> Well, yeah, but he did it for quite well-known reasons. He wanted a quicker,
> more agile alien, and the elaborate get up of the first movie didn't lend
> itself to that sort of action. In particular, the transparent head piece
> would probably need to be remade almost every day because of all the stuff
> that was going to be dropped on it and blown up around it. So he deleted it
> experimentally, leaving the internal ribbing - which is visible in the first
> movie as patches of contrast on the skull - on display. At that point, AIUI,
> he decided it looked cool and he'd leave them that way.
Yes, Camerons design is far more simplistic, and they focused more on having
the person inside the costume being able to move than letting a crazy artist
glue human skulls to the costume. :)
> So the look of the thing is not a problem for me. Maybe that's what they
> look like when they're 17 days old as opposed to 24 hours old.
While the alien is known to change appearance often, I don't think that's the
case.
I think the case is that different aliens look different. Much like how
africans look different than chinese people. Some people are short and fat,
some are tall and thin. Some are muscular and some are weak.
Since this "takes on genetics from the host" idea came in A3, the differences
in A<=>A2 could be claimed are different sub-races. Perhaps Newts dad got
facehugged by a Fh from another part of the ship, that had eggs harvested from
another plant?
> I tend to
> agree that the whole 'warrior' characterisation was an idea of problematic
> value though. It retrospectively implies that the A1 alien was something
> else, and the obvious inference is that it was a drone - some sort of lesser
> version. If you have warriors, though, and they can carry off Newt and
> Burke, why did drones exist at all? Maybe if you have one chestburster on
> its own, it develops into something different versus when you have 157
> chestbursters. That I can buy, just about, except that as between A1 and A2,
> it seems arse about face. In A1 I'd expect a lone alien to be a warrior,
> because there is ass to be kicked, while in A2 you'd expect more drones
> because "the area's secure, Ripley" and it's time to start rearing a Queen.
Yes, I agree.
> That's my other beef. This "queen facehugger" idea seems to me to absolute
> balls.
What idea is that? I never heard it.
> It means that the aliens can't reproduce unless a queen egg happens
> to hatch. Also, it means that somebody must have fetched at least one egg
> from the derelict back to the colony, and leaving aside how dumb that would
> have been, the egg fetched just happened to be a queen egg. Well, how's that
> for bad luck? Also, it tends to unravel the insect analogy. Insects don't
> have queen eggs. Any larva can grow into a queen. The one that does is one
> which is singled out, for whatever reason, for special attention by the
> drones.
I like that idea as well.
> Aliens is a great action movie but it just doesn't have the intellectual
> coherence of the first one. In the end the aliens are just not alien enough
> for my tastes.
Agreed.
> I've recently rewatched A3 for the first time in probably 10 years and I
> have to say the SE is not all that bad. It's hopelessly cavalier with the
> whole idea but the innovations, aside from the Queen facehugger and how it
> got there, are generally interesting. The four-legged alien running on the
> ceiling was cool, although it was a mistake IMHO to show us its POV. I don't
> think it uses its eyes at all.
Yeah, I never liked that. It should have some other sensory.
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 9:48 pm
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In article <cpcrkn$9t4$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
<covenant RemoveThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> Aliens is a great action movie but it just doesn't have the
>> intellectual coherence of the first one. In the end the aliens are
>> just not alien enough for my tastes.
>
> That's it in a nutshell... It's also *why* Sandy likes it so much !!
Hey Einstein - I agree with the above passage.
Sheesh, fanboys.
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:45 pm
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"Sandman" <mr.RemoveThis@sandman.net> wrote
> While the alien is known to change appearance often, I don't think that's
> the
> case.
Possibly not, but a minor difference in appearance (ag from A1 to A2)
doesn't, to me, require elaborate justification anyway. The changes in A3
and A4 do. In the former case we have something that runs on all fours,
which is adequately explained by the different host. In A4 they appear to
have a completely different style of movement again and in one scene you see
a distinctly velociraptor-like foot. It seems obvious to me that the A4
design owed a lot to Jurassic Park. There's no internal logic to it though.
> I think the case is that different aliens look different. Much like how
> africans look different than chinese people. Some people are short and
> fat,
> some are tall and thin. Some are muscular and some are weak.
>
> Since this "takes on genetics from the host" idea came in A3, the
> differences
> in A<=>A2 could be claimed are different sub-races. Perhaps Newts dad got
> facehugged by a Fh from another part of the ship, that had eggs harvested
> from
> another plant?
Yep, plausible.
>> That's my other beef. This "queen facehugger" idea seems to me to
>> absolute
>> balls.
>
> What idea is that? I never heard it.
In A3 the chestburster in Ripley is already clearly a queen. There is also a
second alien running around. The explanation offered from some in this group
is that it was a special egg - or special facehugger if you like - which
implants two parasites, one a queen and one a drone to protect it. How
plausible is that versus what we've seen before? Not plausible at all IMHO.
It's a thoroughly pointless complication of the lifestyle which leads
nowhere interesting. There was no need for the Ripley chestburster to be a
queen that I can see. All she needs to know is that she is a host.
>> The four-legged alien running on the
>> ceiling was cool, although it was a mistake IMHO to show us its POV. I
>> don't
>> think it uses its eyes at all.
>
> Yeah, I never liked that. It should have some other sensory.
Yes, you have to wonder why it relies on eyesight yet has its skull covering
its eyes. Here's a potential rationale for the length of the skull and the
head-cocking movements: maybe it has echo locators at either end of its head
and uses them to create a 3-D picture of its environment? Sort of like the
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 12:09 am
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In article <cpft9c$l44$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, "John Redman"
<johnphilipredman.DeleteThis@hotmailREMOVETHEBLEEDINOBVIOUS.com> wrote:
>> While the alien is known to change appearance often, I don't think
>> that's the case.
>
> Possibly not, but a minor difference in appearance (ag from A1 to A2)
> doesn't, to me, require elaborate justification anyway.
Of course not.
> The changes in
> A3 and A4 do.
Which is why they came up with the host-genes in A3.
> In the former case we have something that runs on all
> fours, which is adequately explained by the different host. In A4 they
> appear to have a completely different style of movement again and in
> one scene you see a distinctly velociraptor-like foot. It seems
> obvious to me that the A4 design owed a lot to Jurassic Park. There's
> no internal logic to it though.
Yes, they wanted them more agile. AVP showed them more like in A4 if you ask me.
While they look a little too much like flock animals in A4 and AVP - and as you
say - velociraptors, I like that they are more agile. The alien in Alien was
too much of a stick figure. It's posture didn't look convincing even if its
design did.
>>> That's my other beef. This "queen facehugger" idea seems to me to
>>> absolute balls.
>>
>> What idea is that? I never heard it.
>
> In A3 the chestburster in Ripley is already clearly a queen. There is
> also a second alien running around. The explanation offered from some
> in this group is that it was a special egg - or special facehugger if
> you like - which implants two parasites, one a queen and one a drone
> to protect it. How plausible is that versus what we've seen before?
> Not plausible at all IMHO. It's a thoroughly pointless complication of
> the lifestyle which leads nowhere interesting. There was no need for
> the Ripley chestburster to be a queen that I can see. All she needs to
> know is that she is a host.
Ah, ok. I didn't think we were discussing A3. And for all we know, that is a
queen chestburster - but does it have to be? I mean, we know Ripley is no
authority on the genetics of a chestburster, so her claim might be just plain
wrong. And then we have the difference in chestburster appearance at the end -
but the CB in Aliens is already slightly different than the one in alien, so..
Plus, the CB could be a queen for no other reason than chance - without there
being any intelligence behind it.
But I prefer to see it as a queen is an ordinary alien that has developed to a
queen due to a lack of a queen.
>>> The four-legged alien running on the ceiling was cool, although it
>>> was a mistake IMHO to show us its POV. I don't think it uses its
>>> eyes at all.
>>
>> Yeah, I never liked that. It should have some other sensory.
>
> Yes, you have to wonder why it relies on eyesight yet has its skull
> covering its eyes. Here's a potential rationale for the length of the
> skull and the head-cocking movements: maybe it has echo locators at
> either end of its head and uses them to create a 3-D picture of its
> environment? Sort of like the rangefinders on a battleship?
Or that of a bat. Problem with that is that it's a very limited form of sight.
An alien seems far too "observant" than that.
The Predator has IR-vision, but the helmet can switch between modes (if you
subscribe to the P2 vision). I'd like for the alien to have a combination of
different "visions" that makes it see almost anything - regardless of light
scope.
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"Sandman" <mr.DeleteThis@sandman.net> wrote in message
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> In article <cpcrkn$9t4$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
> <covenant.DeleteThis@joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
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> >> Aliens is a great action movie but it just doesn't have the
> >> intellectual coherence of the first one. In the end the aliens are
> >> just not alien enough for my tastes.
> >
> > That's it in a nutshell... It's also *why* Sandy likes it so much !!
>
> It is? Care to elaborate?
Not really.
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:00 am
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"Sandman" <mr.TakeThisOut@sandman.net> wrote in message
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> In article <cpcs2s$fkr$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
> <covenant.TakeThisOut@joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
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> >>>> I am poking fun at Covenants tendancy to find huge "screwups" in
> >>>> small insignificant details.
> >>>
> >>> You're not *doing* too well then!
> >>
> >> I wouldn't expect the subject of my poking to think otherwise.
> >
> > Ahhh... I see... You think you're *poking* me?
>
> What gave you the impression that this was something I merely "thought"?
Well....
Talking *literally* (as you sometimes seem to enjoy), you are nowhere in my
immediate vinicity in order to make such a physical action
Talking on a more metaphoric sense... poking implies you're annoying me...
Sorry... Strike two!
> > Hmmm... sounds like you
> > have an irrational hatred of anything I post...
>
> I am no longer surprised at how odd things "sound" to you.
;' )
Weeelll.. What do you expect! I'm in the middle of a *conversation with
someone who make4s no sense and won't clarify their earlier statements (And,
indeed, implies falacy of ONE post and thern agrees the next...!)
(IE...
>> Aliens is a great action movie but it just doesn't have the
>> intellectual coherence of the first one. In the end the aliens are
>> just not alien enough for my tastes.
>
> That's it in a nutshell... It's also *why* Sandy likes it so much !!
"It is? Care to elaborate?"
(Implication of a negative...)
and
>> Aliens is a great action movie but it just doesn't have the
>> intellectual coherence of the first one. In the end the aliens are
>> just not alien enough for my tastes.
>
> That's it in a nutshell... It's also *why* Sandy likes it so much !!
"Hey Einstein - I agree with the above passage."
(Confirmation of a positive)
;' )
> > Every word that drops out of your maw.
>
> I take your lack of specificity as a sign that you don't actually have any
> examples.
The phrase "Every word" is fairly specific don;t you think?
(Perhaps a tad *glib* but still quite specific. If not, maybe your
conversation skills ain;t as honed as they need to be in usenet?)
(Mind you.... You seem to be having this need to have every single word
explained and clarified to you right now. I mean, I know one of the first
rules of debate is to have your *opponent* define their terms, but you can
only do that for so long without looking pretty stupid.)
> I never intended to explain anything to ADWatts - for what reason?
Cos he *asked*?
> And thank you for the compliment - having you call me stupid is the best
praise
> I can get. It's like having a hip-hop:er tell me that my taste in music is
bad.
In what sense?
;' )
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:04 am
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"Sandman" <mr DeleteThis @sandman.net> wrote in message
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> In article <cp85dr$msi$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> "John Redman" <johnphilipredman DeleteThis @hotmailREMOVETHEBLEEDINOBVIOUS.com>
wrote:
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> > "Covenant" <covenant DeleteThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
> >
> > > b) his alien was altered for no reason other than he *wanted* to do
it.
> >
> > Well, yeah, but he did it for quite well-known reasons. He wanted a
quicker,
> > more agile alien, and the elaborate get up of the first movie didn't
lend
> > itself to that sort of action. In particular, the transparent head piece
> > would probably need to be remade almost every day because of all the
stuff
> > that was going to be dropped on it and blown up around it. So he deleted
it
> > experimentally, leaving the internal ribbing - which is visible in the
first
> > movie as patches of contrast on the skull - on display. At that point,
AIUI,
> > he decided it looked cool and he'd leave them that way.
>
> Yes, Camerons design is far more simplistic,
Far More Simplistic...
With particular note to the FAR MORE... that hardly makes the chances
*minor* then does it??
;' ))
> Since this "takes on genetics from the host" idea came in A3, the
differences
> in A<=>A2 could be claimed are different sub-races. Perhaps Newts dad got
> facehugged by a Fh from another part of the ship, that had eggs harvested
from
> another plant?
What's this you asked of others again....
"Is that you making up facts again!?"
;' ))
Hypocrite.
> > That's my other beef. This "queen facehugger" idea seems to me to
absolute
> > balls.
>
> What idea is that? I never heard it.
Don't know *too* much about the series you pruport to know about then huh?
> > Any larva can grow into a queen. The one that does is one
> > which is singled out, for whatever reason, for special attention by the
> > drones.
>
> I like that idea as well.
Oh my God He's agreeing with me !!!
(Yes, I didn;t make the above post, But I have posted on this exact subject
previously.)
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