The train: where from, where to - exactly? [SPOILER M3]

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It seems everybody is convinced that the train is a vehicle bridging
the real world and the Matrix. Yet I was never really satisfied with
this. I went to check the script, and in fact Rama-Kandra is more
vague:

"This place is nowhere. It is between *your world* and *our world*."

It is contextually clear that with "your world" Rama-Kandra is
referring to the Matrix, because that is where Sati is going. It is
less clear if "our world" means the real world. Do you think that the
train is the machines' equivalent of telephones for humans? In that
casa, Rama-Kandra, wife and Sati should all have a physical
counterpart (a mechanical body) left somewhere at the entrance
station? If so, why are their avatars human-looking? Think of it, if
they are programs designed to *drive a mechanical body*, why do they
look like humans inside the limbo and, later, the Matrix?

Note that a train is, as a concept, very different from a telephone. I
expect a train to work like this: *you* get on it, *you* travel, *you*
get off at your arrival station. If what the train does is
"disincarnating" programs from machine bodies, a more "instantaneous"
metaphor would seem more appropriate, because the thing that arrives
at one end is not the thing that left the other.
But I'm having difficulties with english here, so I'll give up for the
moment and go straight to the point:


My opinion on the train is that it is more reasonable to think of it
as a vehicle bridging two equally "virtual" (computer) worlds. One is
the Matrix, which is intended to entertain humans. Of course machines
must have a lot of computing hardware which is *not* devoted to
executing the Matrix programs. They must definitely have a development
environment, for example, that is a set of computers running
"programmer programs" that create software that might or might not go
into the Matrix or elsewhere, etc. This fits well with the fact that,
as we are told, the Merovingian's business is about a traffic of
programs. It seems unreasonable to think that the programs the train
brings in had a machine body, for example the keymaker. He is software
in essence and would have no purpose (no pun) as a standalone program.
He has a meaning only in the context of the machines' mainframe.

Also note that Neo says to R-K: "You're programs", not "you're
machines." What is travelling on the train is a program, going from
somewhere where a program can exist to somewhere else where a program
may exist.

Did I make my point clear?

MC

"moongateclimber" <moongateclimber.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> [S P O I L E R M3]
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> It seems everybody is convinced that the train is a vehicle bridging
> the real world and the Matrix. Yet I was never really satisfied with
> this. I went to check the script, and in fact Rama-Kandra is more
> vague:
>
> "This place is nowhere. It is between *your world* and *our world*."
>
> It is contextually clear that with "your world" Rama-Kandra is
> referring to the Matrix, because that is where Sati is going. It is
> less clear if "our world" means the real world. Do you think that the
> train is the machines' equivalent of telephones for humans? In that
> casa, Rama-Kandra, wife and Sati should all have a physical
> counterpart (a mechanical body) left somewhere at the entrance
> station? If so, why are their avatars human-looking? Think of it, if
> they are programs designed to *drive a mechanical body*, why do they
> look like humans inside the limbo and, later, the Matrix?
>
> Note that a train is, as a concept, very different from a telephone. I
> expect a train to work like this: *you* get on it, *you* travel, *you*
> get off at your arrival station. If what the train does is
> "disincarnating" programs from machine bodies, a more "instantaneous"
> metaphor would seem more appropriate, because the thing that arrives
> at one end is not the thing that left the other.
> But I'm having difficulties with english here, so I'll give up for the
> moment and go straight to the point:
>
>
> My opinion on the train is that it is more reasonable to think of it
> as a vehicle bridging two equally "virtual" (computer) worlds. One is
> the Matrix, which is intended to entertain humans. Of course machines
> must have a lot of computing hardware which is *not* devoted to
> executing the Matrix programs. They must definitely have a development
> environment, for example, that is a set of computers running
> "programmer programs" that create software that might or might not go
> into the Matrix or elsewhere, etc. This fits well with the fact that,
> as we are told, the Merovingian's business is about a traffic of
> programs. It seems unreasonable to think that the programs the train
> brings in had a machine body, for example the keymaker. He is software
> in essence and would have no purpose (no pun) as a standalone program.
> He has a meaning only in the context of the machines' mainframe.
>
> Also note that Neo says to R-K: "You're programs", not "you're
> machines." What is travelling on the train is a program, going from
> somewhere where a program can exist to somewhere else where a program
> may exist.
>
> Did I make my point clear?
>
> MC

Ok I figured it was a waypoint between the machine world (which is the
virtual world machine code inhabits) to the matrix. Of course from the
programs point of view their virtual world would be the real world. Now in
the machine world some things are physical and some are software.