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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 2:03 pm
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Just like to get the opinion of those here on if you think this
trilogy was planned from the beginning or not? Contrary to what
creators say.
Frankly it doesn't matter to me if they conceived all three (2 really)
stories from the beginning or not but it does seem annoying now
whenever a movie hits big you always get the creator(s) saying how it
was to be part of a 3 part set or even Lucas who claimed Star Wars was
part of a 9 part series but later revised it to 6 instead of saying ok
the movie hit big and the fans want more so I can give them more.
Would it make a difference to anyone here seriously if the brothers
said they came up with two and three after part one and not at the
same time? If so why?
The only trilogy that we can say for a fact was conceived at one time
was LOTR (which I like less than the matrix btw) but then you have to
deal with all the LOTR fanboys talking about how brilliant and
detailed the stories were. I heard the guy took TWENTY YEARS to write
those 3 books. Not that they aren't good but you could give virtually
any hack writer 20 years to write a book and it's going to be
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 6:13 pm
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Personally like most writer I think they sat around and waved all kinds
of stories together about these characters and their make believe world.
In the end I think they created the first movie with their very best
ideas to prove to the studio they could make a great movie, and they did!
After that I think they started throwing the left over and unfinished
ideas together into 2 more movies, which is why I think the first one was so
amazing and the second set up lots of cool possibilities and finally the
third just didn't deliver. I've heard better ideas on the net than what the
brothers came up with to tie everything together.
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"Dakota Monroe" <dakota_mon DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Just like to get the opinion of those here on if you think this
> trilogy was planned from the beginning or not? Contrary to what
> creators say.
>
>
> Frankly it doesn't matter to me if they conceived all three (2 really)
> stories from the beginning or not but it does seem annoying now
> whenever a movie hits big you always get the creator(s) saying how it
> was to be part of a 3 part set or even Lucas who claimed Star Wars was
> part of a 9 part series but later revised it to 6 instead of saying ok
> the movie hit big and the fans want more so I can give them more.
>
> Would it make a difference to anyone here seriously if the brothers
> said they came up with two and three after part one and not at the
> same time? If so why?
>
> The only trilogy that we can say for a fact was conceived at one time
> was LOTR (which I like less than the matrix btw) but then you have to
> deal with all the LOTR fanboys talking about how brilliant and
> detailed the stories were. I heard the guy took TWENTY YEARS to write
> those 3 books. Not that they aren't good but you could give virtually
> any hack writer 20 years to write a book and it's going to be
> detailed! |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2003 10:54 pm
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dakota_mon DeleteThis @hotmail.com (Dakota Monroe) wrote:
>Would it make a difference to anyone here seriously if the brothers
>said they came up with two and three after part one and not at the
>same time? If so why?
The idea that it was written all ahead implies that the story telling
might be good throughout, that it is likely to maintain a level of
quality. Revolutions makes clear that they did not write all three in
advance.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 1:04 am
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I at 1st thought that they wrote all 3 parts at the same time, But after
seeing them I know 4 sure they didn't.
Since Reloaded and Revolutions r 1 movie cut in two, I think they should
take the best ideas and solutions offered by this group and make a decent
3th movie that does answer all the questions they left open. And for all I
care let Revolutions be a dream of Neo like the other dreams he had in
reloaded. They can call it Matrix Awakened or Matrix Redone
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 12:50 pm
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I think it's pretty obvious that this has been a trilogy all along. If you
watch 'Matrix Revisited', you'll see an interview with the Warner
Brothers-executive from 1999(or so) in which he states that the Wachowskis
came to him with 'an idea for a trilogy'( to which he responded they'd take
it one step at a time).
Plus, the brothers say in an interview on the same documentary that every
idea they'd ever had was put into this film, which IMHO, would suggest the
magnitude of the material.
Klaus
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> trilogy was planned from the beginning or not? Contrary to what
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 3:21 pm
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On 10 Nov 2003 12:50:40 +0200, "Klaus" <klausfloeng.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I think it's pretty obvious that this has been a trilogy all along. If you
>watch 'Matrix Revisited', you'll see an interview with the Warner
>Brothers-executive from 1999(or so) in which he states that the Wachowskis
>came to him with 'an idea for a trilogy'( to which he responded they'd take
>it one step at a time).
>Plus, the brothers say in an interview on the same documentary that every
>idea they'd ever had was put into this film, which IMHO, would suggest the
>magnitude of the material.
>
>Klaus
>
Honestly I don't see the point in arguing about it. People have their
opinions and rightly so. All you can do is point out what you liked
and if you care to, defend your own position on this film.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:37 pm
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My speculation:
A rough draft of the story with a similar plot structure but perhaps vastly
different character details was prepared as early as 1995. The brothers
wanted to do the Matrix first, but WB Studios was not going to allow them
such a big-budget film with no film credit to their name. So they filmed the
low-budget _Bound_, an incredible movie in its own right, and earned the
respect (and the funding) of the studio.
Details such as character developments and other onscreen details were
certainly modified significantly since then, but I think the basics of the
story -- the path of the One -- remained the same.
--- Dakota Monroe wrote:
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> Just like to get the opinion of those here on if you think this
> trilogy was planned from the beginning or not? Contrary to what
> creators say.
>
>
> Frankly it doesn't matter to me if they conceived all three (2 really)
> stories from the beginning or not but it does seem annoying now
> whenever a movie hits big you always get the creator(s) saying how it
> was to be part of a 3 part set or even Lucas who claimed Star Wars was
> part of a 9 part series but later revised it to 6 instead of saying ok
> the movie hit big and the fans want more so I can give them more.
>
> Would it make a difference to anyone here seriously if the brothers
> said they came up with two and three after part one and not at the
> same time? If so why?
>
> The only trilogy that we can say for a fact was conceived at one time
> was LOTR (which I like less than the matrix btw) but then you have to
> deal with all the LOTR fanboys talking about how brilliant and
> detailed the stories were. I heard the guy took TWENTY YEARS to write
> those 3 books. Not that they aren't good but you could give virtually
> any hack writer 20 years to write a book and it's going to be
> detailed! >> Stay informed about: Matrix trilogy - planned from beginning? |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:41 pm
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> > Would it make a difference to anyone here seriously if the brothers
> > said they came up with two and three after part one and not at the
> > same time? If so why?
>
> The idea that it was written all ahead implies that the story telling
> might be good throughout, that it is likely to maintain a level of
> quality. Revolutions makes clear that they did not write all three in
> advance.
No, Revolutions can not make that clear, because the problem of having the
actress who played the Oracle die between Reloaded and Revolutions
completely threw off their anticipated storytelling regarding her part of
the story. Scenes had to be reconsidered, including all the main characters
who had to act in scenes where they met the Oracle in her new shell, and the
Merovingian talking about it... none of that was anticipated, naturally,
since they were originally going to use the same actress all the way
through.
In my opinion, Gloria Foster's and Aaliyah's deaths, as well as Tank (Marcus
Chong) being such a problem that he had to be replaced, were probably the
major issues that disrupted the vibe of the sequel that had been there for
the first film.
There's no telling what changes were necessitated by the arrival of Link and
the new Oracle. Nona Gaye taking Aaliyah's role is probably inconsequential. >> Stay informed about: Matrix trilogy - planned from beginning? |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 9:42 pm
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Haha. Matrix Redone... I like that. Maybe a funnier title would be Matrix
Redo.
--- Horrie wrote:
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> I at 1st thought that they wrote all 3 parts at the same time, But after
> seeing them I know 4 sure they didn't.
> Since Reloaded and Revolutions r 1 movie cut in two, I think they should
> take the best ideas and solutions offered by this group and make a decent
> 3th movie that does answer all the questions they left open. And for all
> I care let Revolutions be a dream of Neo like the other dreams he had in
> reloaded. They can call it Matrix Awakened or Matrix Redone
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 12:48 pm
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Arrogantly twisting the sterile canvas snoot of a fully charged icing
anointment utensil, JPM III <jpmccord RemoveThis @hotmail.com> poots forth...
>There's no telling what changes were necessitated by the arrival of Link and
>the new Oracle. Nona Gaye taking Aaliyah's role is probably inconsequential.
I'm glad we got Link though. The two things I find consistently annoying
about M1 are a) Dozer and b) Tank.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 12:48 pm
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--- Gavin Smith wrote:
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> Arrogantly twisting the sterile canvas snoot of a fully charged icing
> anointment utensil, JPM III <jpmccord.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> poots forth...
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> > There's no telling what changes were necessitated by the arrival of
> > Link and the new Oracle. Nona Gaye taking Aaliyah's role is probably
> > inconsequential.
>
> I'm glad we got Link though. The two things I find consistently annoying
> about M1 are a) Dozer and b) Tank.
I miss Mouse. I'm kinda curious, though... if he was on a higher floor of
the building, how did the guys get to him first? Unless, of course, they
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 4:51 pm
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Użytkownik "JPM III" <jpmccord.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> napisał w wiadomości
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> > > Would it make a difference to anyone here seriously if the brothers
> > > said they came up with two and three after part one and not at the
> > > same time? If so why?
> >
> > The idea that it was written all ahead implies that the story telling
> > might be good throughout, that it is likely to maintain a level of
> > quality. Revolutions makes clear that they did not write all three in
> > advance.
>
> No, Revolutions can not make that clear, because the problem of having the
> actress who played the Oracle die between Reloaded and Revolutions
> completely threw off their anticipated storytelling regarding her part of
> the story. Scenes had to be reconsidered, including all the main
characters
> who had to act in scenes where they met the Oracle in her new shell, and
the
> Merovingian talking about it... none of that was anticipated, naturally,
> since they were originally going to use the same actress all the way
> through.
>
> In my opinion, Gloria Foster's and Aaliyah's deaths, as well as Tank
(Marcus
> Chong) being such a problem that he had to be replaced, were probably the
> major issues that disrupted the vibe of the sequel that had been there for
> the first film.
Do you really think that Aliyah's death made such a difference?She was
new...so she only needed a substitute...Oracle and Tank that's something
different...
> There's no telling what changes were necessitated by the arrival of Link
and
> the new Oracle. Nona Gaye taking Aaliyah's role is probably
inconsequential.
>
> >> Stay informed about: Matrix trilogy - planned from beginning? |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 4:49 am
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> > > > Would it make a difference to anyone here seriously if the
> > > > brothers said they came up with two and three after part one and
> > > > not at the same time? If so why?
> > >
> > > The idea that it was written all ahead implies that the story telling
> > > might be good throughout, that it is likely to maintain a level of
> > > quality. Revolutions makes clear that they did not write all three in
> > > advance.
> >
> > No, Revolutions can not make that clear, because the problem of having
> > the actress who played the Oracle die between Reloaded and Revolutions
> > completely threw off their anticipated storytelling regarding her part
> > of the story. Scenes had to be reconsidered, including all the main
> > characters who had to act in scenes where they met the Oracle in her
> > new shell, and the Merovingian talking about it... none of that was
> > anticipated, naturally, since they were originally going to use the
> > same actress all the way through.
> >
> > In my opinion, Gloria Foster's and Aaliyah's deaths, as well as Tank
> > (Marcus Chong) being such a problem that he had to be replaced, were
> > probably the major issues that disrupted the vibe of the sequel that
> > had been there for the first film.
>
> Do you really think that Aliyah's death made such a difference?She was
> new...so she only needed a substitute...Oracle and Tank that's something
> different...
>
> > There's no telling what changes were necessitated by the arrival of
> > Link and the new Oracle. Nona Gaye taking Aaliyah's role is probably
> > inconsequential.
Look, I said it right there: "Nona Gaye taking Aaliyah's role is probably
inconsequential." Meaning, no, her death made no difference, except
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 5:03 pm
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Użytkownik "JPM III" <jpmccord.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> napisał w wiadomości
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> > > > > Would it make a difference to anyone here seriously if the
> > > > > brothers said they came up with two and three after part one and
> > > > > not at the same time? If so why?
> > > >
> > > > The idea that it was written all ahead implies that the story
telling
> > > > might be good throughout, that it is likely to maintain a level of
> > > > quality. Revolutions makes clear that they did not write all three
in
> > > > advance.
> > >
> > > No, Revolutions can not make that clear, because the problem of having
> > > the actress who played the Oracle die between Reloaded and Revolutions
> > > completely threw off their anticipated storytelling regarding her part
> > > of the story. Scenes had to be reconsidered, including all the main
> > > characters who had to act in scenes where they met the Oracle in her
> > > new shell, and the Merovingian talking about it... none of that was
> > > anticipated, naturally, since they were originally going to use the
> > > same actress all the way through.
> > >
> > > In my opinion, Gloria Foster's and Aaliyah's deaths, as well as Tank
> > > (Marcus Chong) being such a problem that he had to be replaced, were
> > > probably the major issues that disrupted the vibe of the sequel that
> > > had been there for the first film.
> >
> > Do you really think that Aliyah's death made such a difference?She was
> > new...so she only needed a substitute...Oracle and Tank that's something
> > different...
> >
> > > There's no telling what changes were necessitated by the arrival of
> > > Link and the new Oracle. Nona Gaye taking Aaliyah's role is probably
> > > inconsequential.
>
> Look, I said it right there: "Nona Gaye taking Aaliyah's role is probably
> inconsequential." Meaning, no, her death made no difference, except
> obviously it shook people up in the middle of things.
I rushed...then I read the lower part...
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:03:22 +0100, "Profil1" <jay.TakeThisOut@neostrada.pl>
wrote:
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>Użytkownik "JPM III" <jpmccord.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> napisał w wiadomości
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>> > > > > Would it make a difference to anyone here seriously if the
>> > > > > brothers said they came up with two and three after part one and
>> > > > > not at the same time? If so why?
>> > > >
>> > > > The idea that it was written all ahead implies that the story
>telling
>> > > > might be good throughout, that it is likely to maintain a level of
>> > > > quality. Revolutions makes clear that they did not write all three
>in
>> > > > advance.
>> > >
>> > > No, Revolutions can not make that clear, because the problem of having
>> > > the actress who played the Oracle die between Reloaded and Revolutions
>> > > completely threw off their anticipated storytelling regarding her part
>> > > of the story. Scenes had to be reconsidered, including all the main
>> > > characters who had to act in scenes where they met the Oracle in her
>> > > new shell, and the Merovingian talking about it... none of that was
>> > > anticipated, naturally, since they were originally going to use the
>> > > same actress all the way through.
>> > >
>> > > In my opinion, Gloria Foster's and Aaliyah's deaths, as well as Tank
>> > > (Marcus Chong) being such a problem that he had to be replaced, were
>> > > probably the major issues that disrupted the vibe of the sequel that
>> > > had been there for the first film.
>> >
>> > Do you really think that Aliyah's death made such a difference?She was
>> > new...so she only needed a substitute...Oracle and Tank that's something
>> > different...
>> >
>> > > There's no telling what changes were necessitated by the arrival of
>> > > Link and the new Oracle. Nona Gaye taking Aaliyah's role is probably
>> > > inconsequential.
>>
>> Look, I said it right there: "Nona Gaye taking Aaliyah's role is probably
>> inconsequential." Meaning, no, her death made no difference, except
>> obviously it shook people up in the middle of things.
>
>I rushed...then I read the lower part...
>My apologies
>
No need to apologize, Prof.
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