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Silent Mora

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:18 pm
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Can anybody explain about all the new versions of Battleship Potemkin?

The new 35mm version(s)?

The new DVD(s)?

The one that Francis Coppola paid Kenneth Anger to do?

Some that I've missed somehow?

TY

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:29 pm
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This might help:

HOW TO MAKE CHICKEN SALAD SANDWICHES
2 c. chopped simmered chicken
1/4 c. mayonnaise
1 hard cooked egg, chopped
3 tbsp. chopped, scraped celery
1/4 tsp. salt
1/8 tsp. white pepper
12 thin or very thin slices whole wheat or white bread Butter,
softened
Pimiento stuffed olives

Combine chopped chicken, mayonnaise, egg, celery, salt and pepper. Mix
well. Spread 1/3 cup chicken salad evenly on one side of 6 slices of
bread. Place the remaining 6 bread slices over the chicken salad to
make a sandwich.

Spread butter on outside of top slice of bread; invert sandwich onto a
hot sandwich maker, skillet or griddle. Cook until bread is browned.
Spread butter on ungrilled side of bread; carefully turn sandwiches
and cook until bread is browned.

Secure sandwiches with olive skewered toothpicks; cut crosswise into 2
pieces. Serve hot. Garnish with potato chips.

Makes 6 sandwiches.

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Walter Traprock

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:24 am
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Silent Mora <Silent.DeleteThis@Mora.Net> wrote:

> Can anybody explain about all the new versions of Battleship Potemkin?
>
> The new 35mm version(s)?
>
> The new DVD(s)?
>
> The one that Francis Coppola paid Kenneth Anger to do?
>
> Some that I've missed somehow?

I'm sure the good one is the one with the Shostakovich score.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:02 pm
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"Walter Traprock" <wetraprock RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Silent Mora <Silent RemoveThis @Mora.Net> wrote:
>
>> Can anybody explain about all the new versions of Battleship Potemkin?
>>
>> The new 35mm version(s)?
>>
>> The new DVD(s)?
>>
>> The one that Francis Coppola paid Kenneth Anger to do?
>>
>> Some that I've missed somehow?
>
> I'm sure the good one is the one with the Shostakovich score.

He wrote his score for the recut Soviet version- it's not the best (and
Shostakovich wasn't at his best when he wrote the score)
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Miss Glamour

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:03 pm
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How to give a Glamorous Tea Party

A tea Party is a special experience. You are creating a scene, an
elegant way of life. The guests should feel relaxed and very pampered
when they leave. You should use your best linen, damask, or lace
tablecloth and always have fresh flowers as a centerpiece. Purchase
enough extra blooms and greenery to decorate your serving plates.
Silver teaspoons and china cups make the occasion more special as do
candles and crystal and silver serving dishes. If you have enough
crystal serving plates for all your guests, wonderful! If you do not,
there are beautiful paper plates with matching napkins that will do
just fine. To set the mood, play a CD of chamber music or soft tea
tunes! Several CDs are available just for this! Purchase lovely place
cards and write the names of each item being served. Set the place
card beside each item so your guests know what is being offered. You
won't have to answer the same question for each guest!

I like to give each guest a gift as they leave - a velvet bag with a
teabag and gold teaspoon inside, a small loaf of fruit bread wrapped
in plastic wrap and tied with a ribbon to which a tea bag is attached,
a menu card printed on special half page invitation cards with a
ribbon tied at the top and a tea bag attached, or a recipe booklet
which includes all recipes served at the tea. Or you could make favors
with a Victorian flare for each guest as a memento of the tea.
Placecards are always a nice touch if you have tables for a sit down
tea.

I have suggested in invitations for teas that the women wear hat and
gloves if they own them. About half of the women will arrive in
elegant suits, hats and gloves, some of the hats being pulled out from
the back of the closet. They seem to love to dress up for the event,
even at 3 p.m. on a lazy Saturday afternoon. But here you must be
flexible, because with today's lifestyle, many women no longer own
hats. Also, with some groups, you may find that there will be women
who don't even own a dress. Your job is to make the suggestions then
go with the flow and make every guest feel welcome and special.

I like to give my guests a brief history of tea before they eat. I
also point out the various teapots, tea cozies, and other items that
have special meaning to me. I use my great-grandmother's teapot on the
tea table along with the first teapot I owned. I tell where I bought
certain items. The women always seem to enjoy hearing the history of
tea and the history of my various pieces.

For afternoon tea, cookies (biscuits in Britain), scones, tea
sandwiches, fancy chocolates, petit fours, crumpets, muffins, and
fancy breads and desserts, such as trifle, are served. The sandwiches
can be vegetable like thinly sliced tomato or cucumber on buttered
bread or chicken, ham, egg or tuna salad on bread with the crusts
removed and cut into triangles or pretty shapes with a cookie cutter -
hearts for Valentine's Day, stars for Christmas, etc. Traditional tea
spreads for the scones or crumpets are Devonshire cream, orange
marmalade, strawberry jam, honey, cinnamon and sugar, apple butter,
strawberry butter, raspberry preserves, apricot preserves, apple
chutney, or lemon curd.

When you have tea at the Ritz or other fine hotels, your tea fare is
brought to you on a three-tiered silver server. The lower level holds
the tea sandwiches; the middle level holds the scones; and the top
level is for the fancy dessert items. You begin eating from the bottom
and go to the top, so when I set up a tea table buffet, I put the tea
sandwiches and other savories first on the table, followed by the
scones and fruit breads, then end with the elegant desserts.

I have found that using a large commercial coffee maker (not a used
one that tastes of coffee) to heat the water then filling the teapots
from that makes it easier to keep the pots full for the guests to try
the various teas. I try to offer at least four teas with at least two
pots of each tea. You can use teabags in the pots, but if you want to
be traditional, you will use loose tea and make sure you have enough
lovely tea strainers for the guests to use as they fill their cups. I
like to offer at least one light fruity tea for the younger guests or
for those who aren't sure they really like tea!

Giving a tea is a lot of work, but if you plan and are organized,
everything will come together at the right moment. Make sure you keep
a checklist so you don't forget anything on the day of the tea. You
will feel much more relaxed if you can go down your list and know you
won't have any last minute unpleasant surprises. Following is a
checklist I used for a tea that served 40 people. Use it as a guide
but do your own thing with recipes that are comfortable for you. You
will feel a great sense of pleasure and accomplishment when you see
others enjoying themselves so much. You can do it!

Organizing for a Tea

Tea music and CD player -
Bread with teabags attached -
Recipe booklet -
Floral arrangement and extra flowers to decorate serving dishes -
Crystal plates and cups -
Spoons and forks -
Napkins -
Placecards with names of things served -
Paper plates and plastic wrap (to allow guest to take items home to
spouses or those who couldn't attend) -
Teapots, creamers, sugars -
Tea cozies -
Tea strainers -
Lace Tablecloths -
Coffee urns -
Food Items

Tea -
Milk for creamers -
Pumpkin bread -
Applesauce bread -
Sausage balls -
Gingerbread muffins -
Salami -
Coconut bread -
Moulded chocolates -
Rum truffles -
Shortbread -
Fantasy Fruitcake Squares -
Peanut butter fudge -
Cheese ball/crackers -
Devonshire cream -
Strawberry jam -
Lemon curd -
Date-Black Walnut Bars -
Lemon cream and ladyfingers -
Simply Spirited Spread/cinnamon bread -
Pavlova -
Esther's Orange Marmalade Cake -
Chicken salad -
Ambrosia trifle -
Cucumber sandwiches/garlic and onion cream cheese spread -
Chocolate mousse -
Texas caviar and tortilla chips -
Ripe olive-onion tarts -
Scones -
Waldorf salad -
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:48 pm
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On Aug 24, 3:02 pm, "Eric Stott" <estott@localnetoSPAMcomMODE> wrote:
> "Walter Traprock" <wetrapr... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:wetraprock-A30A8E.11242824082007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>
> > Silent Mora <Sil... DeleteThis @Mora.Net> wrote:
>
> >> Can anybody explain about all the new versions of Battleship Potemkin?
>
> >> The new 35mm version(s)?
>
> >> The new DVD(s)?
>
> >> The one that Francis Coppola paid Kenneth Anger to do?
>
> >> Some that I've missed somehow?
>
> > I'm sure the good one is the one with the Shostakovich score.
>
> He wrote his score for the recut Soviet version- it's not the best (and
> Shostakovich wasn't at his best when he wrote the score)

Shostakovich didn't write that "score" at all! The version with his
music is completely "potted" from various works of his written years
earlier. IMHO, they are rather crudely spliced together, although the
effect is not altogether unpleasing.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:39 am
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Is there an original score or cue sheet? Who wrote it and does it
exist?
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:06 pm
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dey shuud kolourize Battlezhep Pootemkinn den et woood bee mush moore
betta moophie dat aye wyll wawtch kuz blech an whyte flimz r booringz--
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:34 pm
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On Aug 24, 2:24 pm, Walter Traprock <wetrapr... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

> I'm sure the good one is the one with the Shostakovich score.

I doubt it. The Odessa steps sequence set to Meisel's score, which was
included in Cinema Europe, is electrifying--as I recall. The
Shostakovich, not so much.

Dr.Giraud
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:12 pm
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"Ken Winokur" <alloyo.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Is there an original score or cue sheet? Who wrote it and does it
> exist?

The following is a cut and paste from the web:
"The original score was composed by Edmund Meisel. A salon orchestra
performed the Berlin premiere in 1926; its instrumentation was
flute/piccolo, trumpet, trombone, harmonium, percussion and strings without
viola. Meisel wrote the score in twelve days and nights due to the late
approval from the censorship board. Due to this problem, Meisel would repeat
large sections of the score, unchanged, in an effort to complete the
project. Composer/conductor Mark-Andreas Schlingensiepen has reorchestrated
and improved the score based on the original piano score and has adjusted it
to fit the reconstructed version of the film available today."

The Shostakovich score for Potemkin was put together late in his life,
promarily using material from his symphonies. Reports are vague as to just
how much input Shostakovich had in the work: he certainly was interested in
it, but was in failing health and died before the premier. Opinions on the
quality of the score vary, large parts are drawn from his 10th and 11th
symphonies which are not his best works.

Some information here: http://www.marinsymphony.org/Shostakovich_score.htm

Eric Stott

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 12:14 am
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If it is true that Meisel's original, salon-orchestral score was lost
early on, and that only a piano version of that score survived and
was ultimately the source for Schlingensipen's 2004 re-orchestration,
premiered at the 2005 Berlin Film Festival...
then it should be noted that this contemporary work was at least a "second
re-orchestration" of Meisel's surviving score.

Former MOMA silent-film accompanist Arthur Kleiner (Bill Perry's
predecessor) during Kleiner's retirement years (spent
in Minnesota's Twin Cities) did a re-orchestration of Meisel's score back
in 1971. IIRC it was premiered at a POTEMKIN screeing at the Walker Art
Center in Minneapolis, and several months later it was also heard
nationwide during a PBS screening that was part of the "Film Odyssey" series,
hosted by Charles Champlin.

An oft-repeated story (at least in the early 1970s) was that the German
censors had passed the film in 1925 with an initial, organ-only
accompaniment anticipated, but when they learned of how much more powerful
the revolutionary message was when accompanied by Meisel's orchestral
score (commissioned by POTEMKIN'S German distributor in hopes of boosting
box-office receipts) they attempted to rescind their approval!

I don't believe that there was any subsequent commercial exploitation
of the Kleiner-Meisel score, however, possibly due to legal
restrictions or maybe some uncertainty back then as to who really owned
the rights to the original work. (Meisel died in 1930, at the age of 36.
Kleiner passed away in 1980, when he was 77.)

That PBS telecast was well before the "age of home video," but there
probably are some two-inch or one-inch copies of the program sitting in a
vault somewhere, and consumer-recorded audio-reels of the score are
probably in a few private collections, too.

The University of Minnesota library has a very brief excerpt of a
performance of the Kleiner-Meisel score online here:

http://special.lib.umn.edu/rare/kleiner/potem3.wav
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:24 am
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Here in the UK, the Meisel score (presumably that 1971 re-
orchestration) has been used for BBC broadcasts of POTEMKIN for over
thirty years. I first saw it on BBC2 in 1974 and the same edition has
been shown on the digital BBC4 channel at least twice in the last few
years. They have shown it so often, over such a long period, that
I've always assumed this edition is the BBC's own - but I may be
wrong.

The Meisel score is indeed electrifying - and not only in the Steps
sequence. The long, long crescendo of his music in the final reel
generates incredible suspense and it also has some very beautiful
lyrical passages.

Unfortunately, the BBC edition is now very dated visually, mainly due
to the primitive method of reducing the speed for TV which results in
a rather soft and smeary image. The print used looks like average
16mm too. It does, however, include the tinted red flag on the ship
at the end! It runs 66 minutes (at PAL speed).

I did see part of a German TV broadcast about ten years ago which had
far better image quality - and that presumably pre-dates the latest
restoration. It made me realise that this film, always renowned for
its editing techniques, should be equally celebrated for its
breathtaking cinematography.

Jonathan
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