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In article <biorja$t7u$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
<covenant DeleteThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> writes:

>> Without the winch, other
>> crew members would have had to go get him [Kane]. They probably would have
>> been attacked by facehuggers too.

>> (The eggs probably don't have to
>> be touched to be triggered.)

>Except that Alien showed they *did*...
>
>And Jimmy's Ants showed they *didn;t*...
>
>;' )))

ALIENS showed us that *Newt* didn't touch an egg. But maybe one of the
*aliens* touched it!

And I'm not sure anything had to touch Kane's egg to activate it. Maybe
getting close was enough. He just happened to touch it too.

IIRC the script emphasized that Kane woke that egg by touching it, but I think
the movie is ambiguous.

>(Unless one takes the notion that *new* eggs can sense hosts.. and *dormant*
>eggs need the outside stimulus.. )

It's possible that some of the facehuggers were dead, not just dormant.

Maybe *most* of the eggs near Kane held dead 'huggers. (They were passed their
sell-by date!)

The aliens might have variations in lifespan. Humans sure do. The one that
got Kane was the last live one in the area. (And its name, ladies and
gentlemen, was Bob Hope.)

Also, the eggs might have been laid at different times, maybe years apart.
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In article <bioro4$tbn$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
<covenant.DeleteThis@joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> writes:

>> They could also estimate the size of the room based on the size of
>> the ship.

>No, they couldn't, cos the egg chamber *wasn't* a part of the ship.

How would the Nostromo's crew know that?

Let's just say Ripley *assumed* the chamber was part of the ship, an entire
lower deck.

Just for the record, I think the chamber *was* a part of the ship.

Maybe that wasn't the spacejockey-designated entrance, but the chamber was
still SJ-made, in my opinion.
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Doom Archvile wrote:
> In article <bioro4$tbn$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
> <covenant RemoveThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
>
>> No, they couldn't, cos the egg chamber *wasn't* a part of the ship.
>
>> (And the enterance was tiny... That was all they had to base it's
>> size on.)
>
> They also knew the winch lowered Kane for a long time and so he must
> have gone pretty deep.
> It's pretty reasonable to guess that the room was very big (as in,
> lots of floor space) based on the height of it.
> It's probably rare to have a room which has a height much greater
> than its length and its width.
> If the chamber were narrow the whole way down like a mine shaft, Kane
> probably would have commented on it.
> Since Kane didn't make such a comment, Dallas would assume the
> chamber was huge.
> Dallas might mention that assumption to Ripley eventually.

WAY to many *assumptions* to ratify bad (ie Lazy) scriptwriting in Aliens.

The *drop* wasn't that long.
Large ceilings are standard for beings the size of the the space jockeys
*probably rare* ??? ;' ) For all they knew it could have been a corridor!

(Oh.. And Dallas, as we see ALL the way through the movie is NOT the most
talkative person in the world. It would be more in character for Dallas
8not* to say anything... why? Cos it didn;t matter!)

Sorry bud, assumptions do not a good plot point make!

;' )

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"Doom Archvile" <thearchvile.RemoveThis@aol.comdiespam> wrote in message
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> In article <bioro4$tbn$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
> <covenant.RemoveThis@joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
>
> >> They could also estimate the size of the room based on the size of
> >> the ship.
>
> >No, they couldn't, cos the egg chamber *wasn't* a part of the ship.
>
> How would the Nostromo's crew know that?
>
> Let's just say Ripley *assumed* the chamber was part of the ship, an
entire
> lower deck.
>
> Just for the record, I think the chamber *was* a part of the ship.
>
> Maybe that wasn't the spacejockey-designated entrance, but the chamber was
> still SJ-made, in my opinion.
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Doom Archvile wrote:
> In article <bioro4$tbn$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
> <covenant DeleteThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
>
>>> They could also estimate the size of the room based on the size of
>>> the ship.
>
>> No, they couldn't, cos the egg chamber *wasn't* a part of the ship.
>
> How would the Nostromo's crew know that?
>
> Let's just say Ripley *assumed* the chamber was part of the ship, an
> entire lower deck.


Ripley.
Wasn;t.
There.


;' )

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Doom Archvile wrote:
> In article <biorja$t7u$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
> <covenant RemoveThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> writes:
>
>>> Without the winch, other
>>> crew members would have had to go get him [Kane]. They probably
>>> would have been attacked by facehuggers too.
>
>>> (The eggs probably don't have to
>>> be touched to be triggered.)
>
>> Except that Alien showed they *did*...
>>
>> And Jimmy's Ants showed they *didn;t*...
>>
>> ;' )))
>
> ALIENS showed us that *Newt* didn't touch an egg. But maybe one of
> the *aliens* touched it!


You really *do* base WAY to much on off screen *supposed happenings* dontcha
!! ;' )



> And I'm not sure anything had to touch Kane's egg to activate it.
> Maybe getting close was enough. He just happened to touch it too.

Nooo....

It was totally dormant till he touched it, the *electrical CRACKLE* was
heard and then it moved.

> IIRC the script emphasized that Kane woke that egg by touching it,
> but I think the movie is ambiguous.


*I* think, with all due respect, you need to watch the scene again.


>> (Unless one takes the notion that *new* eggs can sense hosts.. and
>> *dormant* eggs need the outside stimulus.. )
>
> It's possible that some of the facehuggers were dead, not just
> dormant.

*possible* *


> Maybe *most* of the eggs near Kane held dead 'huggers. (They were
> passed their sell-by date!)

*maybe* **


> The aliens might have variations in lifespan. Humans sure do. The
> one that got Kane was the last live one in the area. (And its name,
> ladies and gentlemen, was Bob Hope.)


Heh heh heh....


> Also, the eggs might have been laid at different times, maybe years
> apart.


*might*... ***


;' )))


* But unlikely
** But unlikely
*** But unlikely

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>* But unlikely
>** But unlikely
>*** But unlikely

Why?

Adam
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Adam Cameron wrote:
>> * But unlikely
>> ** But unlikely
>> *** But unlikely
>
> Why?

because
because
because



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>>> * But unlikely
>>> ** But unlikely
>>> *** But unlikely
>> Why?
>because
>because
>because

Ah yes, of course. I never thought of it in those terms before.

Adam
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Adam Cameron wrote:
>>>> * But unlikely
>>>> ** But unlikely
>>>> *** But unlikely
>>> Why?
>> because
>> because
>> because
>
> Ah yes, of course. I never thought of it in those terms before.


Sometimes it';s easier just to simplify things!

;' )


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In article <biq7de$ur3$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Covenant"
<covenant RemoveThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> writes:

>> And I'm not sure anything had to touch Kane's egg to activate it.
>> Maybe getting close was enough. He just happened to touch it too.

>Nooo....
>
>It was totally dormant till he touched it, the *electrical CRACKLE* was
>heard and then it moved.

>> IIRC the script emphasized that Kane woke that egg by touching it,
>> but I think the movie is ambiguous.

>*I* think, with all due respect, you need to watch the scene again.

I've watched it enough. I might have to *listen* to it again though. I never
noticed a crackle when Kane touched the egg. (After being prompted, I *did*
notice the sizzle from the faceplate but not any other weird noises.)
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In article <bioro4$tbn$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>,
"Covenant" <covenant RemoveThis @joelamb.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> > They could also estimate the size of the room based on the size of
> > the ship.
>
> No, they couldn't, cos the egg chamber *wasn't* a part of the ship.
> (And the enterance was tiny... That was all they had to base it's size on.)

Ripley: So, is he going to make it?

Dallas: Dunno, it looks bad.

Ripley: What happened, where was he?

Dallas: We were in the ship, we lowered him down this shaft thing, then all
hell broke loose.

Ripley: Shaft? What was it down there?

Dallas: Eggs, he said.

Ripley: Eggs? More than one?

Dallas: Yeah, that's what he said. "leathery objects".

Ripley: But how many?

Dallas: I have no idea, it was he who went down there, ok? He said the place
was full of them.

Ripley: Ok, so how big was this "place"?

Dallas: I told you, I don't know.. Ok? I'll tell you this, it took some time to
winch him all the way down, so it was pretty deep.

Ripley: Ok, so for all we know, there could be thousands of eggs out there??

Dallas: I'm not jumpiong to conclusions, but yeah,it's a possibilty...

** 57 years passes... **

Ripley: "Kane said he saw thousands of eggs..."




Hypersleep will do that to you. :P

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In article <20030829004312.02537.00000264 RemoveThis @mb-m23.aol.com>,
thearchvile RemoveThis @aol.comdiespam (Doom Archvile) wrote:

> "You gave lessons to Bob and I" is wrong.
>
> It's obvious if you (generic "you", not Adam specifically) substitute
> "we" in place of "Bob and I":
>
> "You gave lessons to we."
>
> Whenever I hear an actor or anchorman use "I" after a preposition, I
> end up grumbling at the TV. Something like "It should be: '...to Bob
> and me.' Me me me damn it!!!"

It's always about you you you! :-D

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